tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5554498168264477884.post9180246966080419195..comments2023-09-26T03:53:17.142-04:00Comments on Pentimento: St. DorothyPentimentohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17161146891505294679noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5554498168264477884.post-40239726115009236102010-03-12T23:10:49.043-05:002010-03-12T23:10:49.043-05:00@Jay Anderson: As for the conservative Catholics ...@Jay Anderson: As for the conservative Catholics who tend towards the position Pentimento describes: an exemplary group of them can be found at <a href="http://catholic-caveman.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">The Lair of the Catholic Cavemen</a> (in case the link doesn't work, URL is http://catholic-caveman.blogspot.com/ ). The Cavemen are very strongly for our military adventures and capital punishment, and against abortion. I can't speak as much for their desire to have government-funded aid to unwed mothers either increased or eliminated. (Me, I would rather eliminate ALL wealth transfers accomplished through government: see http://arkanabar.tripod.com/grants.html for why I oppose this sort of thing on moral grounds.)<br /><br />Frankly, if the State didn't yank so much of our property from us, to give to the likes of everyone from Microsoft to US Steel to unwed mothers (all of which payments help people that are to some degree deserving), then we would have far more wealth to help the poor ... and their wealth would be far more, so they would need our help far less.<br /><br />As for myself, in addition to opposing coerced transfer payments, I'm very much against abortion, capital punishment, and our foreign adventurism.Arkanabar T'verrick Ilarsadinhttp://arkanabar.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5554498168264477884.post-43324202545691049902008-09-30T06:41:00.000-04:002008-09-30T06:41:00.000-04:00Thanks, Caleb; I'll look for those writings.Thanks, Caleb; I'll look for those writings.Pentimentohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17161146891505294679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5554498168264477884.post-35570154266293863102008-06-03T07:14:00.000-04:002008-06-03T07:14:00.000-04:00Jay, I'm astonished that you believe I was "carica...Jay, I'm astonished that you believe I was "caricaturing" conservative Catholics, as I am speaking from long personal experience of acquaintances, friends, and loved ones. Would there were more like you in my sphere.Pentimentohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17161146891505294679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5554498168264477884.post-60032539008308087102008-06-02T23:55:00.000-04:002008-06-02T23:55:00.000-04:00"So conservative Catholics are pro-life, but many ...<EM>"So conservative Catholics are pro-life, but many of them are harshly opposed to any governmental solution to ameliorating the lives of poor women who choose life, and they tend to be for the Iraq War and for capital punishment."</EM><BR/><BR/>Pardon me, but who are these "conservative Catholics" who "tend" toward the positions you describe?<BR/><BR/>Almost every Catholic I know (even the "conservative" ones), opposes capital punishment. There are exceptions, of course, but I find most conservative Catholics with whom I am acquainted are against the death penalty. And many conservative Catholics, though perhaps we are in the minority, don't believe the Iraq War to have been just (although we struggle with what should be the proper course for extracting ourselves from Iraq).<BR/><BR/>And your description of these conservative Catholics <EM>"who are <STRONG>harshly opposed</STRONG> to <STRONG>any</STRONG> governmental solution to ameliorating the lives of poor women who choose life"</EM> just doesn't ring true. That might describe a lot of libertarian-conservatives, but I know very few "conservative Catholics" who fit that description. Many of us are quite open to government interventions that help the poor. In fact, I can't think of a single government program to serve the poor that has been cut in the past 8 years or any program that conservative Catholics have advocated cutting; instead, government programs to assist the poor - be they faith-based programs or otherwise - seem to have grown considerably with the support of many conservative Catholics.<BR/><BR/>I am quite in agreement that Catholics should follow the examples of people like Dorothy Day in seeking, as Tertium Quid puts it, "the middle way". But I must say that I find it ironic that, in a post that began by citing Kyle's post about the proclivity of pro-lifers to engage in demonization, we should see such caricaturing of the positions of "conservative Catholics".Pro Ecclesiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03814831624547392519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5554498168264477884.post-83513282543441773382008-06-01T09:59:00.000-04:002008-06-01T09:59:00.000-04:00Great post. Dorothy Day shows the "middle way" fo...Great post. Dorothy Day shows the "middle way" for American Catholics. She forces a conservative such as I to consider the radicalism of St. Vincent de Paul and the liberals in the American Church to reject the false messiah of social reform through politics.<BR/><BR/>Here are a few posts:<BR/><BR/>http://burketokirk.blogspot.com/2007/09/dorothy-day-and-catholic-worker.html<BR/><BR/>http://burketokirk.blogspot.com/2006/03/voice-of-catholic-pacifism.html<BR/><BR/>http://burketokirk.blogspot.com/2006/01/feminists-for-life.html<BR/><BR/>http://burketokirk.blogspot.com/2006/01/dorothy-day-on-abortion-sex-purity-and.html<BR/><BR/>http://burketokirk.blogspot.com/2006/01/she-comforted-afflicted-and-afflicted.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5554498168264477884.post-54054339414720707252008-05-31T17:50:00.000-04:002008-05-31T17:50:00.000-04:00She wrote a wonderful autobiography called The Lon...She wrote a wonderful autobiography called The Long Loneliness (interestingly, she left out a lot of the more sordid episodes in her life, like the abortion). You should also take a look at The Life You Save May Be Your Own by Paul Elie, which is a study of her life as well as those of Flannery O'Connor, Thomas Merton, and Walker Percy. There's a nice film about her, too, called "Entertaining Angels." <BR/><BR/>Retired Waif, if you are reading this, could you make some suggestions?Pentimentohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17161146891505294679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5554498168264477884.post-67536876911932104372008-05-31T12:12:00.000-04:002008-05-31T12:12:00.000-04:00I really need to learn more about Dorothy Day. An...I really need to learn more about Dorothy Day. Any suggestions for where to start?Kyle Cupphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14607703830461449390noreply@blogger.com